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  1. #41

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    Default Re: The Financials: FAS vs. FAZ

    And so the saga continues

    I'm watching FAS for an exit out of FAZ. For those holding FAZ in the 20s, I imagine life is looking pretty good right now. As for myself, I'm just looking objectively for a good exit.

    Hourly Chart 16 days. If we can close below the solid green trendline, then I'll be voting for a gap fill and possible run to 5.40
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    Looking at On Balance Volume. We have Lower Highs.
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    Looking at the ADX trend strength. We have Lower Highs and have moved into the "choppy" area.
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    Default Re: The Financials: FAS vs. FAZ

    I suppose I could hold on for another 20 years and let my kids use the money to pay off the debt the government has passed onto them?

    Ugly, ugly, ugly chart...

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  5. #43

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    Default Re: The Financials: FAS vs. FAZ

    FAZ closed at the high of the day. Good sign (for the bears)
    -- Tom | My Trades

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    Default Re: The Financials: FAS vs. FAZ

    Quote Originally Posted by etftalk View Post
    FAZ closed at the high of the day. Good sign (for the bears)
    Go Bears!

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    Default Re: The Financials: FAS vs. FAZ

    So some folks let go of their FAZ this morning. I can't say I blame them, it's been on the wrong side of the trade since the 666
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  11. #46

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    Default Re: The Financials: FAS vs. FAZ

    Financials are actually lagging now. Probably a good time to short (now that I sold FAZ).

    There is that strong positive seasonality for Thursday (pre-Good Friday) and a negative bias for Monday (post Easter). That said, I'm not a big fan of using seasonality right now. The other market forces are too great.

    I'd like to see how the market opens on Monday, but if we rally today and / or Thursday, I might start getting short again for Monday. The greed in me hates to miss a gap down open - if that is what we get. I don't mind missing a gap higher because I think it would be short-lived.
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  13. #47

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    Default Re: The Financials: FAS vs. FAZ

    I knew the math was bad. I didn't know it was this bad.

    "Much has been written about the math behind leveraged ETFs and mutual funds, yet most investors fail to realize the true impact. ....For this example, I have chosen two inversely related leveraged funds: Direxion Financial Bull 3x Shares (NYSE: FAS) and Direxion Financial Bear 3x Shares (NYSE: FAZ). The chart below illustrates the returns for the five-month period from 11/6/2008 through 4/6/2009 for the following four scenarios:
    1. Green Line: Buy and hold FAS = -86.3%
    2. Red Line: Buy and hold FAZ = -76.9%
    3. Yellow Line: Buy and hold equal amounts of FAS and FAZ with no rebalancing (what some might consider a perfect hedge) = -81.6%
    4. Cyan Line: Buy equal amounts of FAS and FAZ and rebalance every day (a lot of work) = -25.0% (not counting transaction fees and slippage)

    "

    http://www.greenfaucet.com/technical...x-impact/46093

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  15. #48

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    Default Re: The Financials: FAS vs. FAZ

    Thanks Lady, I hadn't realized just how bad it was until I saw your chart and did some price performance back testing myself just to confirm.

    It should be about criminal what is happening.

    Today's price performance.
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    Last 10 days
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    Default Re: The Financials: FAS vs. FAZ

    One of my all-time favorite blogspots is "Slope of Hope" and today I felt his pain when he said, "I am not touching FAZ again...........ever.........."

    http://www.slopeofhope.com/

    Lady
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    Default Re: The Financials: FAS vs. FAZ

    Quote Originally Posted by XL-entLady View Post
    One of my all-time favorite blogspots is "Slope of Hope" and today I felt his pain when he said, "I am not touching FAZ again...........ever.........."

    http://www.slopeofhope.com/

    Lady
    I have no problems with FAZ as a short-term trade only. But it sure does have to be watched closely and/or have stops in place.
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